I am totally numb with the news from London. I used to live there and I know the places those cowards bombed.
Helen, thank goodness, was not in London today.
May God's mercy and light shine down today on London.
Posted by Random Penseur at July 7, 2005 08:23 AM | TrackBackI was in London this past October visiting friends who live just outside the city. I called them this morning. They are well.
It's horrific.
Yet another wake-up call.
God Bless.
Posted by: Christina at July 7, 2005 12:59 PMWake up call? I prefer my alarm clock. This stuff, although disgusting, has a reason.. Unless we figure out what it is, and continue to bomb and kill others, we will remain in this state. I don't think it is right... I just think we all need to sit down and really think about what it is we are doing that is pissing so many people off, in larger and larger numbers.
Let's also rememeber some fallacies:
It's not because 'they' are evil and we are good.
It is not because they hate our freedoms.
It might be because we (the gov't) do what we want, when we want with little regard for those being affected.
Sorry, not trying to start a flame war.. just feel frustrated with the US and Britain's policies to bomb and kill as a way to peace. Last I heard it requires thought, communication, understanding, objectivity and the other things you learn on the playground. Too bad I see none of it... and the worst part is that innocent people will continue to pay the price.
Posted by: dr pants at July 7, 2005 04:59 PMWith all that in mind... I haven't heard from my friend Ken in London... Say a prayer and hope he's okay.
Posted by: dr pants at July 7, 2005 05:08 PMHey, Dr. Pants - It might be because some Islamofascist bastards have a complete disregard for human life that isn't Muslim. Did that happen to occur to you? I figured it might be at least a day before the fingerrpointing at the US and Israel started. I was off by about thirteen hours or so. All the other crap you list is exactly that- CRAP. NOTHING justifies terrorism. NOTHING.
Posted by: Mark at July 7, 2005 08:19 PMdr Pants,
Fine. Spend the rest of your confused existence believing that if ye just take a moment or two or three to understand and empathize with your killer that, then, he just might, maybe, appreciate the gesture and not kill you afterall. Please take it from me -- I'm beggin' ya -- that you don't know the difference between good and evil, force and friendship, future and farce, love from Life, or fact from fantasy. You like to pretend that it's all about a Nazi grab for oil. So why does the price keep going up? You absolutely r-e-f-u-s-e to see the obvious; that this is a war against religious tyrants who would rather kill you than waste their precious time trying to convert you. In their minds they are soldier of God and destroying the infidels. In our minds they are killers of people on their way to work. I think we have a better handle on the reality of the situation.
Liberals making excuses for foreign religious tyrants. I'd say you make me laugh but for the fact that you make me puke.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at July 8, 2005 12:17 AMI still can't believe it. I mean, I know it happened, but it refuses to sink in.
Where is it going to happen next? And when are these people going to stop?
Posted by: Hannah at July 8, 2005 05:24 AMYeah, why spend time listening to people who want to convert you? I should just:
1. Accept that they just hate us.. Plain and simple! They hate our clothes and our freedoms... They hate it all!
2. They are all evil. Evildoers! They bomb us because they hate us, no other reason. That's it! That's all! They have no 'real' gripes with us!
3. We are doing nothing to these people... we're not killing their family and friends.. nope... We're just sitting here trying to make ends meet! We're just trying to rid the world of terror! That's why we do it! We're working hard to live a good clean life. We're not bothering anyone with our policies!
Phew. Thanks for clearing all that up.
Thanks for the reality check.. I'm done writing, fell free to open up the Washington Times and switch on FOX! WoooHOOO!
I'm sorry... also remember to check recent Michele Malkin posts. She's a smart feller!
Posted by: dr pants at July 8, 2005 09:34 AMMark, I agree with you... NOTHING justifies terrorism. Nothing.
But can you define terrorism first? Is it the bombing and killing of innocents? What is it? Remember, there are just as many people on this earth that call them Freedom Fighters. Why is that? Do you thin that there are a lot of places on this earth that feel WE are terrorists?
I don't condone their actions.. I just feel intelligent questions need to be asked.
When England and the IRA began talking to each other is when the terrorism stopped in that conflict. It was a dialogue, a communication of grievences, that helped to end that long round of terrorists acts. I'm not saying we need to sit down with these people. I just think it would be wise to truly consider the reasons they are targeting us.
Sure, they are Muslim's who look at life quite differently. Yes, they have little regard for our lives. But are we just sitting in another room minding our own business? Or is our government doing something that, they feel, might merit a response?
These are questions that need to be answered by all of us. Without pondering all the variables, that make these problems what they are we, will continue to experience them.
Dr. Pants - I refuse to debate this issue based on moral equivalence. And I refuse to drag this discussion further into the mud on RP's site. Have a nice life, friend.
Posted by: Mark at July 8, 2005 09:57 AMDoc, here's the thing. From what I understand, there may not be anything to talk about with these criminals. I don't think that they are freedom fighters, unless by that we can agree that they are fighting freedom all over the world. Sometimes dialogue is useful but it requires an open mind on both sides. I don't think that's going to happen.
I don't mind you raising the questions, indeed, I don't censor my comments boards. I may not agree, but I agree with your right as an American to speak your mind.
Finally, I hope you've heard from your friend in London and I hope he's ok.
Posted by: RP at July 8, 2005 10:37 AMThe first intelligent question is: "why do they do this?" So why not go to the source? If you read their literature and pay attention to their statements, they've made it clear. They've told us in plain language what they want. They want the entire world to believe like they do: there is no God but Allah, women are property, and to do anything not in agreement with their interpretation of Islam is punishable by death. Children and other civilians are acceptable, even desirable targets. A woman can be gang-raped as punishment, and murdered for family honor.
There's so much more. Using the tired old "why do they do this?" argument just means that you're unwilling to believe what they themselves are telling you.
The terrorists version of Islamic culture is archaic, violent, brutal, unjust and if you think that it's morally equivalent to every other then you're not civilized, you're delusional.
Posted by: Ted at July 12, 2005 10:51 AM